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1. koru1
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   If I say “nine out of ten", Dictate writes 9/10. Specifically, it writes “nine out of" but then when I say ten it goes back and replaces with 9/10. Sometimes that would be helpful, but sometimes I actually want it to write exactly what I say. 9/10 is not necessarily an acceptable substitute for “nine out of ten". It does not even give me an option in the recognition window to go back to the full words.

   I am pretty sure this is Dictate, because it happens in Word and Mail, but not when I type the words.

   Another example is “cost plus 10%". It writes “cost plus", but when I say 10% it goes back and changes to cost +10%.

   Is there some way I can override this auto substitution?

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. eMicrophones
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   koru1,

   Try saying, "Numeral nine out of numeral ten."

   Also try, "Cost plus numeral ten percent sign."

   Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. KnowBrainer
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   We suspect Martin's recommendation won’t work because it appears that you are being victimized by a DragonDictate formatting rule which would likely over-ride his suggestions, no matter how you dictate these phrases. Because we only use NaturallySpeaking (which includes similar features) we can’t be certain about Martin’s recommendations until you report back but you should be able to toggle off this feature in your DragonDictate options which we suspect, would be a preferred alternative to having to change your dictation style.

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   Posted 1 year ago #

4. Fanman
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   Thank you, KnowBrainer, for an absolutely pointless post. If you don't know what you're talking about, which you yourself admit that you do not in this case, then how about keeping out of the conversation for a change? Your post contains no more information than koru1 could find out himself by dictating two sentences into DD.

   Even as an experienced DD user (which you admittedly are not), I would not take a stab in the dark about how to fix kuro1's problem. The auto formatting preferences in DD are notoriously quirky. Setting the preferences to obtain one desired result can have the side effect of causing other undesired results as documented by the following post:

   http://www.macspeech.com/extensions/forums/topic.php?id=1701

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. koru1
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   Many thanks to everyone who answered so far. Interestingly, “numeral nine out of numeral ten" works, in the sense that it does not substitute 9/10. However, for the purpose I am writing, it is bad form to write nine as 9.

   "Cost plus numeral ten percent sign" still results in cost +10%.

   Turning to the other suggestions, I don't have any auto formatting preferences. I think this is probably because I'm still using version 2.0.3 of Dragon Dictate. If I'm understanding the third and fourth posts correctly, version 2.5 includes some auto formatting preferences under the tools menu, so perhaps I need to think about upgrading, although maybe changing the settings would have other undesired results.

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. eMicrophones
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   koru1,

   > “numeral nine out of numeral ten" works, in the sense that it
   > does not substitute 9/10. However, for the purpose I am
   > writing, it is bad form to write nine as 9.

   Glad to hear my suggestion sort of worked for you. :-) Now that you mention your need for written form 9 I have 2 suggestions:

   1. Make corrections in context not single words. The next time 9/10 appears, correct this with the phrase, "nine out of ten" Sometimes it takes several corrections to take hold. Also, this strategy likely works better in the latest Dragon Dictate.
   2. A surer method of having proper recognition is to build a Text macro script command right in Dragon Dictate. CLICK HERE for a link to directions to easily make a text command. Make sure to select "Text macro" as the Command type. Name the text macro, "Nine out of ten." This should take precendent. If it does not work, rename the text macro to something else like, "Nine from ten."

   Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. koru1
   Member

   Thanks Marty

   You mean edit 9/10 in the recognition window and replace with what I intended, then keep doing this to train Dictate not to auto-format this sort of phrase? Will that work? Does training ever override an auto format setting? I just tried it seven times and it stubbornly insists on writing 9/10.

   The macro idea would be good if it was just this phrase, but 9/10 was just an example. Next time I might want to write ninety out of a hundred.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. KnowBrainer
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   If DragonDictate works the same way as NaturallySpeaking, it will automatically substitute digits for words such as “9” for “nine” when you dictate “nine out of ten” or even “nine over ten”, which will produce “9/10”. As Fanman pointed out, in an unnecessarily nasty manner, DragonDictate formatting rules can produce undesirable results because they tend to be global but this is still the issue. It's the DragonDictate formatting rules that are getting in your way.

   Although Martin's recommendations may be effective, they are not very natural for continuous speech dictation. No one likes to break up their sentence by having to pause in order to deploy a command, unless there is no other solution. We highly recommend upgrading to DragonDictate 2.5 which includes more formatting options.

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   Posted 1 year ago #

9. eMicrophones
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   koru1,

   > The macro idea would be good if it was just this phrase, but
   > 9/10 was just an example. Next time I might want to write
   > ninety out of a hundred.

   Writing a macro is effective and the answer. However, if you need many or an undetermined number of them, this can be impractical.

   Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

   Posted 1 year ago #

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